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Budgeting for Customer
Success in 2015
December 4, 2014
Housekeeping
• Q&A panel on your right
• Recording for colleagues who can’t make it
• All attendees will receive slides
• Twitter hashtag #customersuccess
Our Speakers
Nick Mehta
CEO
@nrmehta
Byron Deeter
Partner
@bdeeter
On Your Mind?
• Strategy
• How do I set my goals for 2015?
• What initiatives can drive these goals?
• What do my CEO and board think?
• People
• What functional roles do I need in 2015?
• How many of each do I need?
• How can I justify the hiring?
• Process
• What processes can I use to drive efficiency and effectiveness?
• What technologies and services can be helpful?
• How can justify the ROI?
Strategy
How Do I Set My Goals for 2015?
Maturity
Churn Focus
Low hanging fruit
Customer engagement
No brainer risk management
Up-sell Focus
Churn efficiently managed
More products to sell
Mature client relationships
Focus
How Do I Set My Goals for 2015? Churn…
Retained
90%
Churned
10%
1) 2014 ARR*
Avoidable
50%
Unavoidable
50%
2) 2014 ARR Churned
Out of business
Acquired
Sponsor change?
* Hypothetical Example: Assumes 1 year contracts
ARR
$5 MM
$2 MM
$3 MM
2014
Avoidable
Churn
2%
5%
10%
2015 Target
1%
2.5%
8%
Mid-Market
Small
Top
How Do I Set My Goals for 2015? Churn…
3) Avoidable
Churn by
Segment
5% Avoidable
Churn
3.4% Total
Churn
Churn ARR
Saved
$50K
$50K
$240K
ASP
$50K
$25K
$10K
Customers
Saved
1
2
24
Mid-Market
Small
Top
How Do I Set My Goals for 2015? Churn…
4) Sanity
Check
27 Extra Clients
Saved
54 (2X) Extra
Clients Closely
Managed?
ARR / #
$5 MM
$2 MM
$3 MM
2014 Up-sell
5%
2.5%
1%
2015 Target
10%
5%
2%
Mid-Market
Small
Top
How Do I Set My Goals for 2015? Upsell…
Up-sell by
Segment
3.3% Total Up-
sell
6.6% Total Up-
sell
What Initiatives Can Drive These Goals?
Retention Initiative Examples Up-sell Initiative Examples
Customer-specific
Tiering
Time-to-value
Early warning
Success planning
Sponsor management
Playbook optimization
Support improvements
Renewal execution
Tiering
Up-sell identification
Up-sell workflow
QBRs
CSM sales training
CSM-sales alignment
Company-wide
Customer journey
Voice of the Customer
Product
Sales qualification
Pricing/packaging
New products
Price increases
T&C optimization
What Do My CEO and Board Think?
Cost Center Revenue Driver
In COGS
Efficiency
Scale
In S&M
Productivity
Acceleration
What Do My CEO and Board Think?
• Part of growth initiative?
• Part of customer sat initiative?
• Standalone initiative?
• Ranking in priority?
What Do My CEO and Board Think?
Source: TomTunguz.com
“But on average, the customer
success team saves about 4 months
of contribution margin per
customer which means company
can spend up to 3 months' worth of
contribution per customer on churn
management.”
What Do My CEO and Board Think?
Source: TomTunguz.com
Example: Gainsight
Retention Initiative Examples Up-sell Initiative Examples
Customer-specific
Cadence
Success Express
1-to-many CSM
CSM operations
Services operations
Community
Exec sponsorship
…
CSM sales training
CSM-sales alignment
Company-wide
Simplified packaging and T&Cs
Sales to CSM hand-off
Product on-ramps
…
New products
People
What Functional Roles Do I Need In 2015?
Seed
CSM
Series A
+ Onboarding
+ Operations
Growth-stage
+ Support
+ Customer
Marketing
+ Renewals
Pre-IPO
+ Training
+ Advisory
Public
+ PMO
+ Managed
Services
+ Domain
Experts
+ Product
Specialists /
Architects** Earlier in companies with tech buyers
How Many Of Each Do I Need?
Role Scaling Factor
CSM ARR
Onboarding New Clients
Operations 1+
Support Case Count
Customer Marketing 1+
Renewals ARR Renewing
Training 1+
Advisory Revenue-driven
PMO 1+
Managed Services Revenue-driven
Domain Experts Revenue-driven
Product Specialists / Architects Product ARR
How Many Of Each Do I Need? CSMs…
Source: Jason Lemkin / SaaStr
“As the deal size goes up, the
CSM can be more proactive.
And you’ll find it’s critical to
segment the team based on
deal sizes, so they can specialize
in what they do.”
$2 MM Rule of Thumb
How Many Of Each Do I Need? CSMs…
Financial Line Item Value
Revenue $100 MM
Gross Profit (70%) $70 MM
- R&D (15%) $15 MM
- G&A (5%) $5 MM
EBIT Before S&M $50 MM
S&M for $100 MM Renewals
(10%)
$10 MM
S&M for $20 MM New (20%) $20 MM
EBIT $20 MM
Grow 20%
Spend $0.10 / $1 renewal
Spend $1 / $1 new
Make 20% EBIT
Assume $100K/CSM
Assume 2X Overhead
$2 MM ARR / CSM
How Many Of Each Do I Need? CSMs…
High-growth Low-growth
Early-stage
$250K ARR / CSM
Jack of all trades
Ramp time
$1 MM ARR / CSM
Jack of all trades
Late-stage
$500K ARR / CSM
Ramp time
$2 MM ARR / CSM
ARR
$5 MM
$2 MM
$3 MM
CSMs
5
2
3
Accounts /
CSM
20
40
100
Mid-Market
Small
Top
How Many Of Each Do I Need? CSMs…
Assume $1
MM / CSM
Accounts /
CSM
20
40
100
Hours /
Quarter
520
520
520
Hours /
Account
26
13
~5
Mid-Market
Small
Top
How Many Of Each Do I Need? CSMs…
Sanity Check
How Can I Justify The Hiring?
CSM Hiring
Plan
5 =>
10
2 => 2
3 => 3
Accounts /
CSM
20 => 10
40 => 40
100 => 100
Net Retention
Increase
20%
Mid-Market
Small
Top
Investment
Proposal
$1 MM
Investment
$1 MM Net ARR
Growth
Example: Gainsight
Value 2014 2015
ARR X 3X
CSMs 3 15
Onboarding ~15 ~30
Operations 0 2
Support 2 8
Customer Marketing 0 1
Renewals 0 2
Training 0 1
Advisory 0 5
Process
What Processes Can I Use?
Efficiency
Ramping
Prioritization
Automation
Effectiveness
Training
Content
Timing
What Technologies and Services?
Technology
Support
CSM
Community
PSA
LMS
Communication
Advocacy
….
Services
CSM Training
Sales Training
Team-building
Conferences
Churn research
…
How Can I Justify The ROI?
Retention
Up-sell
Cross-sell
Advocacy
Ramp Time
Consistency
Account
Ratios
Example: Gainsight
Technology
Zendesk
Gainsight!
Community Software
Clarizen
Service Rocket
Influitive
Services
CSM University!
Sales Training
Pulse!
Eigenworks
Need a Starting Point?
Here, take ours.
All attendees of today’s webinar will receive
Gainsight’s actual Customer Success budget for
2015.
Keep an eye out for today’s
follow up email.
We’re Here To Help
Fill out the survey on your screen to
schedule a meeting with a Customer
Success specialist.
 Strategy & KPIs
 Structuring the CSM Org
 Investing in Process
Free 30-minute consultation call
between now and the end of 2014.
Thank You!
December 4, 2014

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Budgeting for Customer Success in 2015

  • 1. Budgeting for Customer Success in 2015 December 4, 2014
  • 2. Housekeeping • Q&A panel on your right • Recording for colleagues who can’t make it • All attendees will receive slides • Twitter hashtag #customersuccess
  • 4. On Your Mind? • Strategy • How do I set my goals for 2015? • What initiatives can drive these goals? • What do my CEO and board think? • People • What functional roles do I need in 2015? • How many of each do I need? • How can I justify the hiring? • Process • What processes can I use to drive efficiency and effectiveness? • What technologies and services can be helpful? • How can justify the ROI?
  • 6. How Do I Set My Goals for 2015? Maturity Churn Focus Low hanging fruit Customer engagement No brainer risk management Up-sell Focus Churn efficiently managed More products to sell Mature client relationships Focus
  • 7. How Do I Set My Goals for 2015? Churn… Retained 90% Churned 10% 1) 2014 ARR* Avoidable 50% Unavoidable 50% 2) 2014 ARR Churned Out of business Acquired Sponsor change? * Hypothetical Example: Assumes 1 year contracts
  • 8. ARR $5 MM $2 MM $3 MM 2014 Avoidable Churn 2% 5% 10% 2015 Target 1% 2.5% 8% Mid-Market Small Top How Do I Set My Goals for 2015? Churn… 3) Avoidable Churn by Segment 5% Avoidable Churn 3.4% Total Churn
  • 9. Churn ARR Saved $50K $50K $240K ASP $50K $25K $10K Customers Saved 1 2 24 Mid-Market Small Top How Do I Set My Goals for 2015? Churn… 4) Sanity Check 27 Extra Clients Saved 54 (2X) Extra Clients Closely Managed?
  • 10. ARR / # $5 MM $2 MM $3 MM 2014 Up-sell 5% 2.5% 1% 2015 Target 10% 5% 2% Mid-Market Small Top How Do I Set My Goals for 2015? Upsell… Up-sell by Segment 3.3% Total Up- sell 6.6% Total Up- sell
  • 11. What Initiatives Can Drive These Goals? Retention Initiative Examples Up-sell Initiative Examples Customer-specific Tiering Time-to-value Early warning Success planning Sponsor management Playbook optimization Support improvements Renewal execution Tiering Up-sell identification Up-sell workflow QBRs CSM sales training CSM-sales alignment Company-wide Customer journey Voice of the Customer Product Sales qualification Pricing/packaging New products Price increases T&C optimization
  • 12. What Do My CEO and Board Think? Cost Center Revenue Driver In COGS Efficiency Scale In S&M Productivity Acceleration
  • 13. What Do My CEO and Board Think? • Part of growth initiative? • Part of customer sat initiative? • Standalone initiative? • Ranking in priority?
  • 14. What Do My CEO and Board Think? Source: TomTunguz.com “But on average, the customer success team saves about 4 months of contribution margin per customer which means company can spend up to 3 months' worth of contribution per customer on churn management.”
  • 15. What Do My CEO and Board Think? Source: TomTunguz.com
  • 16. Example: Gainsight Retention Initiative Examples Up-sell Initiative Examples Customer-specific Cadence Success Express 1-to-many CSM CSM operations Services operations Community Exec sponsorship … CSM sales training CSM-sales alignment Company-wide Simplified packaging and T&Cs Sales to CSM hand-off Product on-ramps … New products
  • 17.
  • 19. What Functional Roles Do I Need In 2015? Seed CSM Series A + Onboarding + Operations Growth-stage + Support + Customer Marketing + Renewals Pre-IPO + Training + Advisory Public + PMO + Managed Services + Domain Experts + Product Specialists / Architects** Earlier in companies with tech buyers
  • 20. How Many Of Each Do I Need? Role Scaling Factor CSM ARR Onboarding New Clients Operations 1+ Support Case Count Customer Marketing 1+ Renewals ARR Renewing Training 1+ Advisory Revenue-driven PMO 1+ Managed Services Revenue-driven Domain Experts Revenue-driven Product Specialists / Architects Product ARR
  • 21.
  • 22. How Many Of Each Do I Need? CSMs… Source: Jason Lemkin / SaaStr “As the deal size goes up, the CSM can be more proactive. And you’ll find it’s critical to segment the team based on deal sizes, so they can specialize in what they do.” $2 MM Rule of Thumb
  • 23. How Many Of Each Do I Need? CSMs… Financial Line Item Value Revenue $100 MM Gross Profit (70%) $70 MM - R&D (15%) $15 MM - G&A (5%) $5 MM EBIT Before S&M $50 MM S&M for $100 MM Renewals (10%) $10 MM S&M for $20 MM New (20%) $20 MM EBIT $20 MM Grow 20% Spend $0.10 / $1 renewal Spend $1 / $1 new Make 20% EBIT Assume $100K/CSM Assume 2X Overhead $2 MM ARR / CSM
  • 24. How Many Of Each Do I Need? CSMs… High-growth Low-growth Early-stage $250K ARR / CSM Jack of all trades Ramp time $1 MM ARR / CSM Jack of all trades Late-stage $500K ARR / CSM Ramp time $2 MM ARR / CSM
  • 25. ARR $5 MM $2 MM $3 MM CSMs 5 2 3 Accounts / CSM 20 40 100 Mid-Market Small Top How Many Of Each Do I Need? CSMs… Assume $1 MM / CSM
  • 26. Accounts / CSM 20 40 100 Hours / Quarter 520 520 520 Hours / Account 26 13 ~5 Mid-Market Small Top How Many Of Each Do I Need? CSMs… Sanity Check
  • 27. How Can I Justify The Hiring? CSM Hiring Plan 5 => 10 2 => 2 3 => 3 Accounts / CSM 20 => 10 40 => 40 100 => 100 Net Retention Increase 20% Mid-Market Small Top Investment Proposal $1 MM Investment $1 MM Net ARR Growth
  • 28. Example: Gainsight Value 2014 2015 ARR X 3X CSMs 3 15 Onboarding ~15 ~30 Operations 0 2 Support 2 8 Customer Marketing 0 1 Renewals 0 2 Training 0 1 Advisory 0 5
  • 29.
  • 31. What Processes Can I Use? Efficiency Ramping Prioritization Automation Effectiveness Training Content Timing
  • 32. What Technologies and Services? Technology Support CSM Community PSA LMS Communication Advocacy …. Services CSM Training Sales Training Team-building Conferences Churn research …
  • 33. How Can I Justify The ROI? Retention Up-sell Cross-sell Advocacy Ramp Time Consistency Account Ratios
  • 34. Example: Gainsight Technology Zendesk Gainsight! Community Software Clarizen Service Rocket Influitive Services CSM University! Sales Training Pulse! Eigenworks
  • 35.
  • 36. Need a Starting Point? Here, take ours. All attendees of today’s webinar will receive Gainsight’s actual Customer Success budget for 2015. Keep an eye out for today’s follow up email.
  • 37. We’re Here To Help Fill out the survey on your screen to schedule a meeting with a Customer Success specialist.  Strategy & KPIs  Structuring the CSM Org  Investing in Process Free 30-minute consultation call between now and the end of 2014.

Editor's Notes

  1. http://tomtunguz.com/upsell-ratios/
  2. http://tomtunguz.com/upsell-ratios/
  3. http://saastr.com/2013/10/01/the-2-million-dollar-man-woman-how-to-think-about-scaling-your-customer-success-team/