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THE OTHER SIDE OF THE
TABLE
Jim Rutt
CIO, The Dana Foundation
October 11, 2016
BACKGROUND
20 years on the client side (Emblem, Metlife, TD Waterhouse, Sanofi)
Started from the bottom (help desk to present position)
Led Dana through a complete cloud-based infrastructure
transformation (topic for another talk)
Laid off in 2009, took a sales gig with a VAR (not sales engineering,
actual hunter/farmer-carried the bag).
Thousands of vendor meetings as a client, along with many
conversations with many of my peers (many of your prospects), you
start to pick up on a few patterns
Give some insight that could help you smooth out sales process from
ramp up to channel.
UNDER THE RADAR
Tons of sales/marketing books and presentations out there
In my opinion, most sound the same
Nobody, at least to my knowledge, ever gave a sales talk that truly
gives the view from a client-side technical leadership viewpoint.
Almost all conversations between vendor/client focus on the pure
innovation of the solution.
Very few actually try to understand the psychology of selling to
technical leadership.
Give some insight that could help you smooth out sales process from
ramp up to channel.
“WHAT KEEPS YOU UP AT NIGHT?”
CAPTAIN OBVIOUS-OLD SALES
TECHNIQUES DON’T WORK
Cold calling: essentially dead
Email Marketing-We’re sick of it
but we have fun trying to identify
which CRM/MA platform it was
sent from. (WE IMPLEMENT THESE
AS PART OF OUR JOB!!!!!). Plus we
get about 100 of these a week.
Meetups-Better, but difficult to get
to the person you really need, the
person you has budget authority.
So, any better ideas??
BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE-MERITS
OF THE SOLUTION
YOU
My stuff is tremendous
It won awards
Our VC/backers are legendary
Our leadership is legendary
This is a no-brainer
THEM
IS this for real or a pretender?
Why am I considering this?
How will I look to my internal
gatekeepers?
Will this really solve a problem or
cause more grief?
BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE-
FINANCIAL
YOU
End of quarter
Ramp up
Investor pressure
Target
Plan
Forecast
THEM
Budget leeway
Opex/Capex concerns
Approval flow
Keeping under the radar
financially
YOU HAVE GREAT ADVANTAGES AS
A STARTUP
Most sophisticated prospects (covered later) like dealing with early
stage firms..
Direct contact with founders as opposed to lack of influence with
monolithic legacy players
Opportunity for more influence through the feature development of
the product
Early clients input is given higher priority in the product release cycle
Financial incentives for early adoption
Other advantages (covered later)
SIDE EFFECTS-EVERY NEW
SOLUTION BRINGS A GEOMETRIC
GROWTH OF COMPLEXITY
Basics-What every one sees on
the surface
 Pre-sales/POC
 Implementation of the actual
solution (either through POC
or post contract)
 Training
 Maybe a security review
 Contract review/signing
SIDE EFFECTS-WHAT YOU DON’T
SEE CAN HURT YOU
What you don’t see
 Added administrative overhead of the solution itself
 Political capital needed to get solutions in house-need to explain to paranoid non-technical folks-
need to market internally to rally the troops
 Back and forth with Legal and Compliance, the two groups in any organization with zero motivation
to change anything
 CMDB needs to be updated/ITIL framework
 Change Management (even in DevOps environments)
 Ops Management
 Contract Management/Procurement pathways
 Disaster Recovery (even if inherently resilient, need to be added in, vetted and updated within the
existing plan)
 Audit
 Application integration/Data Integration
 Change to affected organizations
 If a replacement solution, project planning with tons of coordination and communications to retire
the old solution
 Meetings, Meetings, Meetings!!!!!
 All these can take up to 10-30x as long as it does to implement the solution
THE ROAD TO CLOSE: NOT ALWAYS
A STRAIGHT LINE
Risk Office
Procurement
Legal/Compliance
Ops/Dev
Technical Staff
Internal Customer
Executive
Champion
GETTING TO YES: ITS
COMPLICATED
Many different motivations
Scared of change
Want to rise internally/ulterior motives
May be looking for next gig/expansion of network/building the favor
bank
How to use any given solution to further personal goals
All this, while trying to fly under the radar
RFP TIME: HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY
THE VICTORS
Even in smaller organizations, an RFP
may be required due to gross dollar
requirements.
Assume an RFP would be needed, and
have one already written.
The winner 99% of the time, wrote the
RFP for the client.
I can’t emphasize enough how
important this is. You don’t have any
time without a large administrative
department to churn these out JIT.
FEED THE EGO
Trust is the #1 reason people buy from you.
In my experience, a VIP-style advisory board is the best way to build
loyalty, community and increase sales as well as reinforce trust.
Unique experience that can reinforce viral trust.
Something that will encourage your members to bring other prospects into
the fold
Have a charter ready, your constituents are sophisticated
Press releases-where able, certainly don’t hurt.
MAKE INTRODUCTIONS TO YOUR INVESTORS
 Expands client network for future career opportunities
 Today’s clients may be future startup CEO’s..they will need funding..right? You’ll look good
for setting them up should the need arise!!
RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD:
RANDOM MUSINGS
Use the list to proactively answer how you can reduce the friction
inherent to bringing your solution in
Be ready to address compliance in detail, not just a broad statement
of compliance. Its great your product is HIPAA-compliant….HOW
EXACTLY?
Understand who is in the room and what they truly want
 Ex: Presentation to a CISO, VP Security, Security Analyst.
 The Analyst is trying to look smart to his superiors. Yet, he has influencer status as opposed to final
decision/budget authority
I’ve been at many vendor lunches where less than 5% of attendees
have budget authority. Where does that leave you and does that give
you the ROI you’re looking for? Will that help your sales momentum?
LISTEN AND STOP TALKING
Over 2,000 meetings with vendors of all shapes and sizes, from
startup to well established firms..the #1 mistake you can make is
TALKING TOO DAMN MUCH.
Sophisticated prospects will know what to ask. Let them guide you.
Start with elevator pitch/10,000 foot view than go down deeper as
the prospect guides you.
PROS AND CONS: PROSPECT
DEMOGRAPHICS
Small to mid-size Financial (hedge fund, PE,
family office, foundations):
 Large commitment to technology
 Willing to go to POC quicker with larger than
average budget
 Easier to get to the one with budget authority.
Nothing will happen unless you can influence
this person.
 Governance/compliance a big concern. Need to
be ready else precious time spent on overhead.
Big logo (Financial, Pharmaceutical, Insurance,
Other)
• Small placement can lead to viral acceptance
due to distributed authority
• Long time to get a POC (up to 6-12 months)
• Faster time to peer adoption and credibility if
prospect is willing co-market (i.e. press
GAINING MOMENTUM
There are established sales acceleration firms that you can engage to
get your product in front of your desired demographic prospect (CW,
etc). These firms have the trust of your prospect base and have
relationships with folks that can go to POC quickly.
Can be expensive as a percentage of your allocation for marketing
In my experience, going wide gathers better momentum than going
deep. But focus on folks with budget authority
CONTACTS
jrutt@dana.org
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/jrutt17
Phone 212.401.1659

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The other side of the table 10-11-16

  • 1. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE Jim Rutt CIO, The Dana Foundation October 11, 2016
  • 2. BACKGROUND 20 years on the client side (Emblem, Metlife, TD Waterhouse, Sanofi) Started from the bottom (help desk to present position) Led Dana through a complete cloud-based infrastructure transformation (topic for another talk) Laid off in 2009, took a sales gig with a VAR (not sales engineering, actual hunter/farmer-carried the bag). Thousands of vendor meetings as a client, along with many conversations with many of my peers (many of your prospects), you start to pick up on a few patterns Give some insight that could help you smooth out sales process from ramp up to channel.
  • 3. UNDER THE RADAR Tons of sales/marketing books and presentations out there In my opinion, most sound the same Nobody, at least to my knowledge, ever gave a sales talk that truly gives the view from a client-side technical leadership viewpoint. Almost all conversations between vendor/client focus on the pure innovation of the solution. Very few actually try to understand the psychology of selling to technical leadership. Give some insight that could help you smooth out sales process from ramp up to channel.
  • 4. “WHAT KEEPS YOU UP AT NIGHT?”
  • 5. CAPTAIN OBVIOUS-OLD SALES TECHNIQUES DON’T WORK Cold calling: essentially dead Email Marketing-We’re sick of it but we have fun trying to identify which CRM/MA platform it was sent from. (WE IMPLEMENT THESE AS PART OF OUR JOB!!!!!). Plus we get about 100 of these a week. Meetups-Better, but difficult to get to the person you really need, the person you has budget authority. So, any better ideas??
  • 6. BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE-MERITS OF THE SOLUTION YOU My stuff is tremendous It won awards Our VC/backers are legendary Our leadership is legendary This is a no-brainer THEM IS this for real or a pretender? Why am I considering this? How will I look to my internal gatekeepers? Will this really solve a problem or cause more grief?
  • 7. BOTH SIDES OF THE TABLE- FINANCIAL YOU End of quarter Ramp up Investor pressure Target Plan Forecast THEM Budget leeway Opex/Capex concerns Approval flow Keeping under the radar financially
  • 8. YOU HAVE GREAT ADVANTAGES AS A STARTUP Most sophisticated prospects (covered later) like dealing with early stage firms.. Direct contact with founders as opposed to lack of influence with monolithic legacy players Opportunity for more influence through the feature development of the product Early clients input is given higher priority in the product release cycle Financial incentives for early adoption Other advantages (covered later)
  • 9. SIDE EFFECTS-EVERY NEW SOLUTION BRINGS A GEOMETRIC GROWTH OF COMPLEXITY Basics-What every one sees on the surface  Pre-sales/POC  Implementation of the actual solution (either through POC or post contract)  Training  Maybe a security review  Contract review/signing
  • 10. SIDE EFFECTS-WHAT YOU DON’T SEE CAN HURT YOU What you don’t see  Added administrative overhead of the solution itself  Political capital needed to get solutions in house-need to explain to paranoid non-technical folks- need to market internally to rally the troops  Back and forth with Legal and Compliance, the two groups in any organization with zero motivation to change anything  CMDB needs to be updated/ITIL framework  Change Management (even in DevOps environments)  Ops Management  Contract Management/Procurement pathways  Disaster Recovery (even if inherently resilient, need to be added in, vetted and updated within the existing plan)  Audit  Application integration/Data Integration  Change to affected organizations  If a replacement solution, project planning with tons of coordination and communications to retire the old solution  Meetings, Meetings, Meetings!!!!!  All these can take up to 10-30x as long as it does to implement the solution
  • 11. THE ROAD TO CLOSE: NOT ALWAYS A STRAIGHT LINE Risk Office Procurement Legal/Compliance Ops/Dev Technical Staff Internal Customer Executive Champion
  • 12. GETTING TO YES: ITS COMPLICATED Many different motivations Scared of change Want to rise internally/ulterior motives May be looking for next gig/expansion of network/building the favor bank How to use any given solution to further personal goals All this, while trying to fly under the radar
  • 13. RFP TIME: HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS Even in smaller organizations, an RFP may be required due to gross dollar requirements. Assume an RFP would be needed, and have one already written. The winner 99% of the time, wrote the RFP for the client. I can’t emphasize enough how important this is. You don’t have any time without a large administrative department to churn these out JIT.
  • 14. FEED THE EGO Trust is the #1 reason people buy from you. In my experience, a VIP-style advisory board is the best way to build loyalty, community and increase sales as well as reinforce trust. Unique experience that can reinforce viral trust. Something that will encourage your members to bring other prospects into the fold Have a charter ready, your constituents are sophisticated Press releases-where able, certainly don’t hurt. MAKE INTRODUCTIONS TO YOUR INVESTORS  Expands client network for future career opportunities  Today’s clients may be future startup CEO’s..they will need funding..right? You’ll look good for setting them up should the need arise!!
  • 15. RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD: RANDOM MUSINGS Use the list to proactively answer how you can reduce the friction inherent to bringing your solution in Be ready to address compliance in detail, not just a broad statement of compliance. Its great your product is HIPAA-compliant….HOW EXACTLY? Understand who is in the room and what they truly want  Ex: Presentation to a CISO, VP Security, Security Analyst.  The Analyst is trying to look smart to his superiors. Yet, he has influencer status as opposed to final decision/budget authority I’ve been at many vendor lunches where less than 5% of attendees have budget authority. Where does that leave you and does that give you the ROI you’re looking for? Will that help your sales momentum?
  • 16. LISTEN AND STOP TALKING Over 2,000 meetings with vendors of all shapes and sizes, from startup to well established firms..the #1 mistake you can make is TALKING TOO DAMN MUCH. Sophisticated prospects will know what to ask. Let them guide you. Start with elevator pitch/10,000 foot view than go down deeper as the prospect guides you.
  • 17. PROS AND CONS: PROSPECT DEMOGRAPHICS Small to mid-size Financial (hedge fund, PE, family office, foundations):  Large commitment to technology  Willing to go to POC quicker with larger than average budget  Easier to get to the one with budget authority. Nothing will happen unless you can influence this person.  Governance/compliance a big concern. Need to be ready else precious time spent on overhead. Big logo (Financial, Pharmaceutical, Insurance, Other) • Small placement can lead to viral acceptance due to distributed authority • Long time to get a POC (up to 6-12 months) • Faster time to peer adoption and credibility if prospect is willing co-market (i.e. press
  • 18. GAINING MOMENTUM There are established sales acceleration firms that you can engage to get your product in front of your desired demographic prospect (CW, etc). These firms have the trust of your prospect base and have relationships with folks that can go to POC quickly. Can be expensive as a percentage of your allocation for marketing In my experience, going wide gathers better momentum than going deep. But focus on folks with budget authority