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10 Golden Rules for 
Failing with Toyota Kata 
Success Guaranteed !! 
By Karsten Seydel and Mark Rosenthal 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
Source: Personal experiences 
November 2014
Start Kata as a new program - or better 
as an alternative Program to Lean. 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
2! 
No1
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
"Lean" doesn't change. 
Toyota Kata is a way to 
practice foundational skills 
for scientific thinking. 
Those skills are the basis for 
the rest of the Lean practices. 
3! 
No1
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
Call Kata a new toolset 
for problem solving. 
4! 
No2
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
Call it what it is: A framework 
for developing a scientific 
thought process, so everyone 
can work together effectively 
using a common approach. 
5! 
No2
Authorize your in-house consulting group or 
your Lean experts to launch a Kata program. 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
6! 
No3
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
The Improvement Kata and 
Coaching Kata are for leaders 
and managers to practice, and 
then to coach others in 
practicing, to develop different 
skills, mindset and culture. 
You can't delegate your own 
practice to others. 
7! 
No3
Do a benchmarking trip to copy a 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
Kata program from others. 
8! 
No4
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
You don't know exactly what 
will work for you and your 
organization. What is your skill-development 
Challenge and 
next Target Condition? Now 
experiment and learn your way 
there... to develop your own 
style to suit your organization. 
9! 
No4
Foster discussions about possible 
solutions instead of testing them. 
Don’t start before there's a consensus 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
with everybody. 
10! 
No5
You won't learn what works for 
you in front of a whiteboard in a 
conference room. 
There is no experience gained 
from PowerPoint presentations. 
Go and try it with a qualified, 
experienced coach in order to 
learn what it is about. 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
11! 
No5
Go to a Kata training course and start 
training your organization directly 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
after the course. 
12! 
No6
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
TK course training is mostly for 
awareness and for giving you 
enough information to decide 
to try it yourself. You learn by 
doing. You train by doing. 
13! 
No6
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
Let your Improvers find their 
Target Conditions by themselves. 
They're empowered after all! 
14! 
No7
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
You owe your Improvers a 
clear, strategically-important 
Challenge and some coaching, 
as they develop and propose 
Target Conditions that align 
with that Challenge. 
15! 
No7
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
Give a Kata Team ambitious 
financial targets and let your 
controllers check results. 
16! 
No8
Financial results are lagging outcome 
indicators. 
People can (and do) find ways to 
reach them without improving the 
underlying systems. 
Challenges and Target Conditions 
have metrics, of course, but should be 
expressed in descriptive operational 
terms. How must the underlying 
system change? Why will the 
financial result be different? 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
17! 
No8
Have your Kata team commit on hard 
project milestones, and check their 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
results using traffic lights. 
18! 
No9
The further out a Target Condition, 
the more you need to plan. 
But a plan is only a prediction. 
Check what is being learned via 
daily Coaching Cycles and adjust 
accordingly. 
Managers are responsible for 
ensuring their teams develop the 
scientific skills and iterative 
approach to achieve their goals. 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
19! 
No9
Communicate intensively about the 
new Kata program but don’t change 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
your management style. 
20! 
No10
People answer the questions the 
boss asks. 
If you want people to use the 
Improvement Kata pattern, then use 
the "5 Coaching Kata Questions" as 
the baseline for your own style. 
It won't be easy at first. You too 
have to practice, learn and change 
your mindset. But it can be highly 
satisfying, and it works! 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
21! 
No10
Best wishes for 
your practice! 
You can’t really implement Toyota Kata 
because we can’t predict exactly how it 
will go. The trick is to deploy and spread 
Toyota Kata by using Toyota Kata. 
That is, leaders and managers should 
apply scientific skills and iterate as they 
strive to achieve their organization's skill-development 
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
goals. 
22!
Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 
Karsten Seydel ! 
! 
Lean Program Manager and Kata Leadership 
Coach at Siemens AG Berlin ! 
Mark Rosenthal 
Novayama Consulting, Snohomish WA! 
Blogs at theleanthinker.com! 
23!

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10 Golden Rules for Failing with Toyota Kata

  • 1. 10 Golden Rules for Failing with Toyota Kata Success Guaranteed !! By Karsten Seydel and Mark Rosenthal Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! Source: Personal experiences November 2014
  • 2. Start Kata as a new program - or better as an alternative Program to Lean. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 2! No1
  • 3. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! "Lean" doesn't change. Toyota Kata is a way to practice foundational skills for scientific thinking. Those skills are the basis for the rest of the Lean practices. 3! No1
  • 4. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! Call Kata a new toolset for problem solving. 4! No2
  • 5. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! Call it what it is: A framework for developing a scientific thought process, so everyone can work together effectively using a common approach. 5! No2
  • 6. Authorize your in-house consulting group or your Lean experts to launch a Kata program. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 6! No3
  • 7. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! The Improvement Kata and Coaching Kata are for leaders and managers to practice, and then to coach others in practicing, to develop different skills, mindset and culture. You can't delegate your own practice to others. 7! No3
  • 8. Do a benchmarking trip to copy a Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! Kata program from others. 8! No4
  • 9. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! You don't know exactly what will work for you and your organization. What is your skill-development Challenge and next Target Condition? Now experiment and learn your way there... to develop your own style to suit your organization. 9! No4
  • 10. Foster discussions about possible solutions instead of testing them. Don’t start before there's a consensus Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! with everybody. 10! No5
  • 11. You won't learn what works for you in front of a whiteboard in a conference room. There is no experience gained from PowerPoint presentations. Go and try it with a qualified, experienced coach in order to learn what it is about. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 11! No5
  • 12. Go to a Kata training course and start training your organization directly Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! after the course. 12! No6
  • 13. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! TK course training is mostly for awareness and for giving you enough information to decide to try it yourself. You learn by doing. You train by doing. 13! No6
  • 14. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! Let your Improvers find their Target Conditions by themselves. They're empowered after all! 14! No7
  • 15. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! You owe your Improvers a clear, strategically-important Challenge and some coaching, as they develop and propose Target Conditions that align with that Challenge. 15! No7
  • 16. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! Give a Kata Team ambitious financial targets and let your controllers check results. 16! No8
  • 17. Financial results are lagging outcome indicators. People can (and do) find ways to reach them without improving the underlying systems. Challenges and Target Conditions have metrics, of course, but should be expressed in descriptive operational terms. How must the underlying system change? Why will the financial result be different? Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 17! No8
  • 18. Have your Kata team commit on hard project milestones, and check their Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! results using traffic lights. 18! No9
  • 19. The further out a Target Condition, the more you need to plan. But a plan is only a prediction. Check what is being learned via daily Coaching Cycles and adjust accordingly. Managers are responsible for ensuring their teams develop the scientific skills and iterative approach to achieve their goals. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 19! No9
  • 20. Communicate intensively about the new Kata program but don’t change Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! your management style. 20! No10
  • 21. People answer the questions the boss asks. If you want people to use the Improvement Kata pattern, then use the "5 Coaching Kata Questions" as the baseline for your own style. It won't be easy at first. You too have to practice, learn and change your mindset. But it can be highly satisfying, and it works! Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! 21! No10
  • 22. Best wishes for your practice! You can’t really implement Toyota Kata because we can’t predict exactly how it will go. The trick is to deploy and spread Toyota Kata by using Toyota Kata. That is, leaders and managers should apply scientific skills and iterate as they strive to achieve their organization's skill-development Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! goals. 22!
  • 23. Karsten Seydel & Mark Rosenthal! Karsten Seydel ! ! Lean Program Manager and Kata Leadership Coach at Siemens AG Berlin ! Mark Rosenthal Novayama Consulting, Snohomish WA! Blogs at theleanthinker.com! 23!