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MY EXPERIENCE BEING AN
         INDIE
       Mugunth Kumar
Agenda
Agenda


• How   the iOS world works?

• Calculating   your hourly rates

• Hourly   rates around the world
Agenda


• How   the iOS world works?

• Calculating   your hourly rates

• Hourly   rates around the world



• Hiring   a developer in Singapore

• Median      costs of an app
Doing Business
Doing Business




• The   world is changing
Doing Business




• The   world is changing

• The   way we do business is changing
Doing Business




• The   world is changing

• The   way we do business is changing

• Coping   up with changes
Outsourcing
Outsourcing




• Hiring
      a third party/business to completely manage one or
 more processes within your company
Outsourcing




• Hiring
      a third party/business to completely manage one or
 more processes within your company

• Never    done for your “secret sauce”
iOS development and outsourcing




• Is   the iOS app the linch pin for your company?
Distributed teams




• iOS   is a specialized skill set.

• WithH1Bs locked down severely by US, migration of skilled
 workers to bay area has almost hit zero.
What others say?
tap tap tap (Camera +)




• SF   based company

• Less   than 10 member team

• Programmers  from San Fran, New York, Austria, New
 Zealand, Palo Alto, Texas and various cities around the world
Tapbots




• San   Jose (CA), Flower Mound (TX) and Calagary(Canada)
Mobile Education Store




• Company    incorporated in Oregon

• Three   member team, Oregon, London and Singapore
Advantages




• Lower   operations cost.

• Almost   zero dollars for “Office space”

• Almost   every dollar is spent on the product
Disadvantages




• Close   to zero benefits (Healthcare)
Rates
Rates
Rates


• Payments   are either made by hourly or daily rates
Rates


• Payments   are either made by hourly or daily rates

• Hourly   rates in UK - £60-70 (SGD 120-140)
Rates


• Payments   are either made by hourly or daily rates

• Hourly   rates in UK - £60-70 (SGD 120-140)

• Hourlyrates in Western Europe (ex Russia) - €70-€80 (SGD
 110 - 130)
Rates


• Payments   are either made by hourly or daily rates

• Hourly   rates in UK - £60-70 (SGD 120-140)

• Hourlyrates in Western Europe (ex Russia) - €70-€80 (SGD
 110 - 130)

• Hourly   rates in United States = $120-$150 (SGD 150-190)
Rates


• Payments   are either made by hourly or daily rates

• Hourly   rates in UK - £60-70 (SGD 120-140)

• Hourlyrates in Western Europe (ex Russia) - €70-€80 (SGD
 110 - 130)

• Hourly   rates in United States = $120-$150 (SGD 150-190)

• Hourly   rates in Australia - A$120-A$150 (SGD 150-190)
Daily rates are slightly lower
Daily rates are slightly lower




• UK   - £400-450 (SGD 800-900)
Daily rates are slightly lower




• UK   - £400-450 (SGD 800-900)

• Western   Europe (ex Russia) - €500 (SGD 750)
Daily rates are slightly lower




• UK   - £400-450 (SGD 800-900)

• Western   Europe (ex Russia) - €500 (SGD 750)

• United   States - $650 (SGD 800)
Daily rates are slightly lower




• UK   - £400-450 (SGD 800-900)

• Western     Europe (ex Russia) - €500 (SGD 750)

• United   States - $650 (SGD 800)

• Australia   - A$650 (SGD 800)
Calculating hourly rates - the wrong way
Calculating hourly rates - the wrong way




• $8000   per month Investment banker’s salary
Calculating hourly rates - the wrong way




• $8000   per month Investment banker’s salary

• $8000/22   days = $364 per day
Calculating hourly rates - the wrong way




• $8000   per month Investment banker’s salary

• $8000/22   days = $364 per day

• $364/8   hours = $45 an hour
Why is this wrong?
Why is this wrong?


• Insurance   and healthcare

• CPF   (+15%)

• Other   perks, 13th month salary, bonus and benefits
Why is this wrong?


• Insurance   and healthcare

• CPF    (+15%)

• Other   perks, 13th month salary, bonus and benefits



• Cost   of office space

• Other   CTC factors like hiring expenses
Maids
Maids



Full time



$800
Maids



Full time   Weekly maid



$800          $250
Maids



Full time   Weekly maid   Spring Cleaning



$800          $250            $100
Maids



Full time              Weekly maid       Spring Cleaning



$800                      $250                  $100



            $800/30 ($27 a day or $3 an hour)
Drinks
Drinks




$10.0 ($0.42)
Drinks




$10.0 ($0.42)   $4.0 ($0.66)
Drinks




$10.0 ($0.42)   $4.0 ($0.66)   $1.6-$1.8
How much should you charge?




• Divide   your yearly salary by a 1000.

•A   $120k salary turns out to be around $120 /hr
My Rates


• By      Hour US$110*

• By      Day SGD 700*




•   *Rates are last year’s and are due for revision
Sample Invoice
Choices for employers




• Hire   a full time employee

• Hire   a consultant on a daily rate

• Hire   a consultant on a hourly rate
Hiring costs


•6   month contract with a salary of $6500 = $39000

• Hiring   costs - $6500

• Office    space cost + computer + software = $6000

• CPF     = $5000



• Total   per employee = $56500
Cost per year




•3   employees (1 for iOS, 1 for server and 1 for UI/UX)

• Total   for the company = $250k++
Jobs DB
Jobs DB
So, how much does it really cost to build an app?
So, how much does it really cost to build an app?




• Depends   on the app!
So, how much does it really cost to build an app?




• Depends      on the app!

• It’s   like buying a home
So, how much does it really cost to build an app?




• Depends      on the app!

• It’s   like buying a home

• Youcan buy a HDB for $200k or a mansion at Sentosa for
  $108 million
So, how much does it really cost to build an app?




• Depends      on the app!

• It’s   like buying a home

• Youcan buy a HDB for $200k or a mansion at Sentosa for
  $108 million

• Lets    see some examples
Preposition Builder




•5   months - Approximately 20-30 hrs a month

•~   USD 12000
Demo of Preposition Builder
Tense Builder




•6   months - Approximately 20-30 hrs a month

•~   USD 15000
Demo of Tense Builder
Median price




• $7k   lowest

• $35k+   highest
Median price
Median price




• Cost   of making an app goes higher with iterations
Median price




• Cost   of making an app goes higher with iterations

• Instagram   - 18 iterations to get it right.
Median price




• Cost   of making an app goes higher with iterations

• Instagram   - 18 iterations to get it right.

• Today, tomake an Instagram “clone” it might cost about $50k
 including server/UI/iOS dev costs
Median price




• Cost   of making an app goes higher with iterations

• Instagram   - 18 iterations to get it right.

• Today, tomake an Instagram “clone” it might cost about $50k
 including server/UI/iOS dev costs

• Instagram   +Path + Clear = $???
Questions?

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My experience as a indie consultant

  • 1. MY EXPERIENCE BEING AN INDIE Mugunth Kumar
  • 3. Agenda • How the iOS world works? • Calculating your hourly rates • Hourly rates around the world
  • 4. Agenda • How the iOS world works? • Calculating your hourly rates • Hourly rates around the world • Hiring a developer in Singapore • Median costs of an app
  • 6. Doing Business • The world is changing
  • 7. Doing Business • The world is changing • The way we do business is changing
  • 8. Doing Business • The world is changing • The way we do business is changing • Coping up with changes
  • 10. Outsourcing • Hiring a third party/business to completely manage one or more processes within your company
  • 11. Outsourcing • Hiring a third party/business to completely manage one or more processes within your company • Never done for your “secret sauce”
  • 12. iOS development and outsourcing • Is the iOS app the linch pin for your company?
  • 13. Distributed teams • iOS is a specialized skill set. • WithH1Bs locked down severely by US, migration of skilled workers to bay area has almost hit zero.
  • 15. tap tap tap (Camera +) • SF based company • Less than 10 member team • Programmers from San Fran, New York, Austria, New Zealand, Palo Alto, Texas and various cities around the world
  • 16. Tapbots • San Jose (CA), Flower Mound (TX) and Calagary(Canada)
  • 17. Mobile Education Store • Company incorporated in Oregon • Three member team, Oregon, London and Singapore
  • 18. Advantages • Lower operations cost. • Almost zero dollars for “Office space” • Almost every dollar is spent on the product
  • 19. Disadvantages • Close to zero benefits (Healthcare)
  • 20. Rates
  • 21. Rates
  • 22. Rates • Payments are either made by hourly or daily rates
  • 23. Rates • Payments are either made by hourly or daily rates • Hourly rates in UK - £60-70 (SGD 120-140)
  • 24. Rates • Payments are either made by hourly or daily rates • Hourly rates in UK - £60-70 (SGD 120-140) • Hourlyrates in Western Europe (ex Russia) - €70-€80 (SGD 110 - 130)
  • 25. Rates • Payments are either made by hourly or daily rates • Hourly rates in UK - £60-70 (SGD 120-140) • Hourlyrates in Western Europe (ex Russia) - €70-€80 (SGD 110 - 130) • Hourly rates in United States = $120-$150 (SGD 150-190)
  • 26. Rates • Payments are either made by hourly or daily rates • Hourly rates in UK - £60-70 (SGD 120-140) • Hourlyrates in Western Europe (ex Russia) - €70-€80 (SGD 110 - 130) • Hourly rates in United States = $120-$150 (SGD 150-190) • Hourly rates in Australia - A$120-A$150 (SGD 150-190)
  • 27. Daily rates are slightly lower
  • 28. Daily rates are slightly lower • UK - £400-450 (SGD 800-900)
  • 29. Daily rates are slightly lower • UK - £400-450 (SGD 800-900) • Western Europe (ex Russia) - €500 (SGD 750)
  • 30. Daily rates are slightly lower • UK - £400-450 (SGD 800-900) • Western Europe (ex Russia) - €500 (SGD 750) • United States - $650 (SGD 800)
  • 31. Daily rates are slightly lower • UK - £400-450 (SGD 800-900) • Western Europe (ex Russia) - €500 (SGD 750) • United States - $650 (SGD 800) • Australia - A$650 (SGD 800)
  • 32. Calculating hourly rates - the wrong way
  • 33. Calculating hourly rates - the wrong way • $8000 per month Investment banker’s salary
  • 34. Calculating hourly rates - the wrong way • $8000 per month Investment banker’s salary • $8000/22 days = $364 per day
  • 35. Calculating hourly rates - the wrong way • $8000 per month Investment banker’s salary • $8000/22 days = $364 per day • $364/8 hours = $45 an hour
  • 36. Why is this wrong?
  • 37. Why is this wrong? • Insurance and healthcare • CPF (+15%) • Other perks, 13th month salary, bonus and benefits
  • 38. Why is this wrong? • Insurance and healthcare • CPF (+15%) • Other perks, 13th month salary, bonus and benefits • Cost of office space • Other CTC factors like hiring expenses
  • 39. Maids
  • 41. Maids Full time Weekly maid $800 $250
  • 42. Maids Full time Weekly maid Spring Cleaning $800 $250 $100
  • 43. Maids Full time Weekly maid Spring Cleaning $800 $250 $100 $800/30 ($27 a day or $3 an hour)
  • 46. Drinks $10.0 ($0.42) $4.0 ($0.66)
  • 47. Drinks $10.0 ($0.42) $4.0 ($0.66) $1.6-$1.8
  • 48. How much should you charge? • Divide your yearly salary by a 1000. •A $120k salary turns out to be around $120 /hr
  • 49. My Rates • By Hour US$110* • By Day SGD 700* • *Rates are last year’s and are due for revision
  • 51.
  • 52. Choices for employers • Hire a full time employee • Hire a consultant on a daily rate • Hire a consultant on a hourly rate
  • 53. Hiring costs •6 month contract with a salary of $6500 = $39000 • Hiring costs - $6500 • Office space cost + computer + software = $6000 • CPF = $5000 • Total per employee = $56500
  • 54. Cost per year •3 employees (1 for iOS, 1 for server and 1 for UI/UX) • Total for the company = $250k++
  • 57. So, how much does it really cost to build an app?
  • 58. So, how much does it really cost to build an app? • Depends on the app!
  • 59. So, how much does it really cost to build an app? • Depends on the app! • It’s like buying a home
  • 60. So, how much does it really cost to build an app? • Depends on the app! • It’s like buying a home • Youcan buy a HDB for $200k or a mansion at Sentosa for $108 million
  • 61. So, how much does it really cost to build an app? • Depends on the app! • It’s like buying a home • Youcan buy a HDB for $200k or a mansion at Sentosa for $108 million • Lets see some examples
  • 62. Preposition Builder •5 months - Approximately 20-30 hrs a month •~ USD 12000
  • 64. Tense Builder •6 months - Approximately 20-30 hrs a month •~ USD 15000
  • 65. Demo of Tense Builder
  • 66. Median price • $7k lowest • $35k+ highest
  • 68. Median price • Cost of making an app goes higher with iterations
  • 69. Median price • Cost of making an app goes higher with iterations • Instagram - 18 iterations to get it right.
  • 70. Median price • Cost of making an app goes higher with iterations • Instagram - 18 iterations to get it right. • Today, tomake an Instagram “clone” it might cost about $50k including server/UI/iOS dev costs
  • 71. Median price • Cost of making an app goes higher with iterations • Instagram - 18 iterations to get it right. • Today, tomake an Instagram “clone” it might cost about $50k including server/UI/iOS dev costs • Instagram +Path + Clear = $???

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