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Two Concepts of Liberty




                    Soraj Hongladarom
                 Department of Philosophy
        Center for Ethics of Science and Technology
                     Faculty of Arts
                Chulalongkorn University

    Imagine you are driving a car through town, and you
    come to a fork in the road. You turn left, but no one was
    forcing you to go one way or the other. Next you come to
    a crossroads. You turn right, but no one was preventing
    you from going left or straight on. There is no traffic to
    speak of and there are no diversions or police
    roadblocks. So you seem, as a driver, to be completely
    free.
    From http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/#TwoConLib

    But this picture of your situation might change quite
    dramatically if we consider that the reason you went left
    and then right is that you're addicted to cigarettes and
    you're desperate to get to the tobacconists before it
    closes. Rather than driving, you feel you are being driven,
    as your urge to smoke leads you uncontrollably to turn
    the wheel first to the left and then to the right.
    From http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/#TwoConLib

    Moreover, you're perfectly aware that your turning right at
    the crossroads means you'll probably miss a train that
    was to take you to an appointment you care about very
    much. You long to be free of this irrational desire that is
    not only threatening your longevity but is also stopping
    you right now from doing what you think you ought to be
    doing.
    From http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/#TwoConLib

    Spinoza – One is only free when one follows reason.

    Mill – One is only free when there are no obstacles that
    block one’s choices and action.

    One might say that while on the first view liberty is simply
    about how many doors are open to the agent, on the
    second view it is more about going through the right
    doors for the right reasons.

    ‘Negative’ liberty – absence of coercion, forces that
    compel us to do this or that

    ‘Positive’ liberty – presence of something that gives us
    control of our lives (self-mastery, self-realization)

    ‘Negative’ liberty – “What is the area within which the
    subject — a person or group of persons — is or should
    be left to do or be what he is able to do or be, without
    interference by other persons?”

    ‘Positive’ liberty – “What, or who, is the source of control
    or interference that can determine someone to do, or be,
    this rather than that?”

    Example – Nobody forces me to eat this or that, or not to
    eat this or that. If I want to eat a lot of pizzas, I can do it.

    Not eating a lot of pizzas will lead to my true self, my real
    being. I will be completely free that way.

    The two concepts of liberty or freedom point to a
    fundamental question in political philosophy – Is it the
    business of the State to promote well-being or self-
    realization of its citizens, or is its business solely to let the
    citizens choose whatever course of action they want to
    do, eliminating any obstacles against the citizens’
    choices?

    Example – 1) Let the citizens do whatever they want with
    minimal interference; 2) Promote the self-realization of
    the citizens through active means.

    Rousseau’s ‘General Will’ – people will achieve their
    freedom only when they participate as citizens in the
    democratic process

    Government should also aim at creating conditions in
    which citizens can realize their inner potential.

    But for negative freedom, state should create conditions
    where there are genuinely absences of conditions that
    prevent citizens from doing whatever they choose to do.
Real Life Examples


    Do we have freedom to smoke?
    −   Negative Liberty: Yes. We ourselves determine for
        ourselves whether we should smoke or not.
        Campaigns against smoking work because they lead
        us to think for ourselves the advantages and
        disadvantages of smoking. But in the end it is we
        alone who make the decision.

    Do we have the freedom to smoke?
    −   Positive Liberty – No. Because smoking leads you to
        bad self-actualization. In fact it will likely lead to there
        being no self on your part at all, because it will likely
        cause your death.
    −   In order for you to realize your true freedom, the State
        should have the authority to decide this for you. When
        you are addicted to cigarettes, your judgment will be
        clouded so you are actually not free.
Defending Free Speech


     Mill – “In his famous essay he declares that unless the
     individual is left to live as he wishes in ‘the part [of his
     conduct] which merely concerns himself,’ civilisation
     cannot advance; the truth will not, for lack of a free
     market in ideas, come to light; there will be no scope for
     spontaneity, originality, genius, for mental energy, for
     moral courage. Society will be crushed by the weight of
     ‘collective mediocrity.’ Whatever is rich and diversified will
     be crushed by the weight of custom, by men’s constant
     tendency to conformity, which breeds only ‘withered
     capacities,’ … (Berlin p. 185).
 
     “We must preserve a minimum area of personal freedom
       if we are not to ‘degrade or deny our nature’ (p. 184).
Criticisms


Negative liberty – shallow, lack of substance, no direction,
  lead to immorality and lack of values
Positive liberty – tendency toward paternalism and
  totalitarianism, individual becomes just part of the State
  machine.
Thailand National Youth Policy


National youth policy is under Last official youth policy:
  the responsibility of the
                               Education (9 years
  Ministry of Social
                                 compulsory)
  Development and Human
  Security                     Development of moral
                                 character
Does not get much attention
  from the government          Preventation of AIDS
Most policies emphasize that Special help to youths living
 youths be “good persons”      under difficult condition
                                Sctivities to promote youths
                                  with spicial talent.
Most other Thai youth policies do not deviate
              from this trend.

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Two concepts liberty

  • 1. Two Concepts of Liberty Soraj Hongladarom Department of Philosophy Center for Ethics of Science and Technology Faculty of Arts Chulalongkorn University
  • 2. Imagine you are driving a car through town, and you come to a fork in the road. You turn left, but no one was forcing you to go one way or the other. Next you come to a crossroads. You turn right, but no one was preventing you from going left or straight on. There is no traffic to speak of and there are no diversions or police roadblocks. So you seem, as a driver, to be completely free. From http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/#TwoConLib
  • 3. But this picture of your situation might change quite dramatically if we consider that the reason you went left and then right is that you're addicted to cigarettes and you're desperate to get to the tobacconists before it closes. Rather than driving, you feel you are being driven, as your urge to smoke leads you uncontrollably to turn the wheel first to the left and then to the right. From http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/#TwoConLib
  • 4. Moreover, you're perfectly aware that your turning right at the crossroads means you'll probably miss a train that was to take you to an appointment you care about very much. You long to be free of this irrational desire that is not only threatening your longevity but is also stopping you right now from doing what you think you ought to be doing. From http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/#TwoConLib
  • 5. Spinoza – One is only free when one follows reason.  Mill – One is only free when there are no obstacles that block one’s choices and action.
  • 6. One might say that while on the first view liberty is simply about how many doors are open to the agent, on the second view it is more about going through the right doors for the right reasons.  ‘Negative’ liberty – absence of coercion, forces that compel us to do this or that  ‘Positive’ liberty – presence of something that gives us control of our lives (self-mastery, self-realization)
  • 7. ‘Negative’ liberty – “What is the area within which the subject — a person or group of persons — is or should be left to do or be what he is able to do or be, without interference by other persons?”  ‘Positive’ liberty – “What, or who, is the source of control or interference that can determine someone to do, or be, this rather than that?”  Example – Nobody forces me to eat this or that, or not to eat this or that. If I want to eat a lot of pizzas, I can do it.  Not eating a lot of pizzas will lead to my true self, my real being. I will be completely free that way.
  • 8. The two concepts of liberty or freedom point to a fundamental question in political philosophy – Is it the business of the State to promote well-being or self- realization of its citizens, or is its business solely to let the citizens choose whatever course of action they want to do, eliminating any obstacles against the citizens’ choices?  Example – 1) Let the citizens do whatever they want with minimal interference; 2) Promote the self-realization of the citizens through active means.
  • 9. Rousseau’s ‘General Will’ – people will achieve their freedom only when they participate as citizens in the democratic process  Government should also aim at creating conditions in which citizens can realize their inner potential.  But for negative freedom, state should create conditions where there are genuinely absences of conditions that prevent citizens from doing whatever they choose to do.
  • 10. Real Life Examples  Do we have freedom to smoke? − Negative Liberty: Yes. We ourselves determine for ourselves whether we should smoke or not. Campaigns against smoking work because they lead us to think for ourselves the advantages and disadvantages of smoking. But in the end it is we alone who make the decision.
  • 11. Do we have the freedom to smoke? − Positive Liberty – No. Because smoking leads you to bad self-actualization. In fact it will likely lead to there being no self on your part at all, because it will likely cause your death. − In order for you to realize your true freedom, the State should have the authority to decide this for you. When you are addicted to cigarettes, your judgment will be clouded so you are actually not free.
  • 12. Defending Free Speech  Mill – “In his famous essay he declares that unless the individual is left to live as he wishes in ‘the part [of his conduct] which merely concerns himself,’ civilisation cannot advance; the truth will not, for lack of a free market in ideas, come to light; there will be no scope for spontaneity, originality, genius, for mental energy, for moral courage. Society will be crushed by the weight of ‘collective mediocrity.’ Whatever is rich and diversified will be crushed by the weight of custom, by men’s constant tendency to conformity, which breeds only ‘withered capacities,’ … (Berlin p. 185).  “We must preserve a minimum area of personal freedom if we are not to ‘degrade or deny our nature’ (p. 184).
  • 13. Criticisms Negative liberty – shallow, lack of substance, no direction, lead to immorality and lack of values Positive liberty – tendency toward paternalism and totalitarianism, individual becomes just part of the State machine.
  • 14. Thailand National Youth Policy National youth policy is under Last official youth policy: the responsibility of the Education (9 years Ministry of Social compulsory) Development and Human Security Development of moral character Does not get much attention from the government Preventation of AIDS Most policies emphasize that Special help to youths living youths be “good persons” under difficult condition Sctivities to promote youths with spicial talent.
  • 15. Most other Thai youth policies do not deviate from this trend.